2017-04-07 Interpretation


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Dear Brothers and Sisters in IAUA (ee-ah-oo-ah) our Father,

Greetings on this day of preparation for the weekly Sabbath. I pray this newsletter finds you in good health and happy in the service of IAUA. This is the 10th day of the 1st month of the Biblical Calendar in the estimated year 6020 Anno Mundi.

The Spring Sabbaths begins with God's New Year's day in 4 days on the 15th day of the 1st month (Wednesday, April 12th of the 2017, Gregorian Calendar, at sunset Tuesday, April 11th).

On God's Calendar the Biblical month begins on the global day after lunar conjunction. The Biblical year begins with God's New Year's Day (Passover) after the spring equinox (Spring Passover Rule). The Millerite Calendar (Spring New Moon Rule) is the same this year. The Calculated Rabbinical Calendar is a day early.


It is very difficult to properly understand and interpret the meaning of even your native language when the subject is religious beliefs. Some will choose an interpretation that matches their belief. This belief is often the result of some charismatic presenter that you choose to believe rather than carefully studying for yourself. Another Facebook discussion on the difficult subject of the three persons of the Godhead. Remember, I do not use the word "Trinity" because it is a "trademark" of RCC doctrine, which I believe it is dangerous to embrace, but I believe in the three persons of the Godhead. I believe this is taught by the Bible and EGW.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/121111054574867/permalink/1219592261393402

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Debbie Labrousse Agardi: What is your stance on the trinity?

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Sandy VanDenburgh-Clark: Hmmmm, we believe in Father and His Son. I believe the Spirit is from the Father through His Son to us. I do not believe it's a third person sitting there in spirit form...my thoughts. :-)

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Millie Caggiano: Good answer, agree with you.

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Joanne M. Rea: I have been coming to that conclusion also. Still in the exploration phase.

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Frank T. Clark: Strongly disagree as the Bible (and EGW) is very explicit on the person of the Holy Spirit. Accepting the idea of a spirit that is not a person but "disconnected" from even Father or Son leads right to spiritualism. Each person must study for themselves and be convinced by the Word. I do not wish to argue but I cannot stand idly by without speaking what I understand from the Bible. Omnis Scriptura et Sola Scriptura.

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Sandy VanDenburgh-Clark: Frank, not disconnected by any means, their Spirit, we all have one. :-) It just that Jesus came in Spirit form because He gave up things when He came here to die.

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Chris Hall: True, and another fun thought to consider is the name itself. Let's see, Father Yahweh, Son Yeshua, Holy Ghost..Holy Ghost? In other words, the bible has specific hebrew names for the important ones even including Lucifer with endless names and Gabriel in Daniel. However when it comes to the holy spirit, who many might consider the 3rd most important guy up there, he's sadly left without a name. Could it be that he's no separate guy at all, but God himself. After all, "There is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." Those are the important ones to remember, it appears. Simply put, A God and his Son created an Adam and his Eve to duplicate the heavenly family perfectly. And they tell the story very well: Eve from the rib represents Jesus begotten of God, 2 are one flesh in a relationship represents them perfectly, the dominion given us over everything is like them having dominion over all worlds in the universe, the creation of life we posses to make babies is like them in that they have create all life in the universe, the animals 2 by 2 like them and us, Gods wedding feast for his son to marry us his bride, ..and endless more. We're made in this image, this likeness.. not to be confused with satans images and likenesses, Sunday instead of Sabbath, Christmas instead of Tabernacles, Trinity instead of God/Son, Satan at the sides of the north like Gods Left hand man..a trio. I think all in all, theres beauty in the truth, but even if we're not 100% right on subjects, he knows we're searching and he who is For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

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Christopher Mibenge: Check The Bible And SOP On That And Don't Just Say Things Via Logic Isaiah 8:20

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Pam Misner: Where is the Holy Spirit ever reffered to as a person anywhere in the Bible or SOP??

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Frank T. Clark: Apparently you have not searched the online SOP. Just one of many quotes.

"The Lord says this because He knows it is for our good. He would build a wall around us, to keep us from transgression, so that His blessing and love may be bestowed on us in rich measure. This is the reason we have established a school here. The Lord instructed us that this was the place in which we should locate, and we have had every reason to think that we are in the right place. We have been brought together as a school, and we need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds, that the Lord God is our keeper, and helper. He hears every word we utter and knows every thought of the mind."--Ms 66, 1899, p. 4. (Talk, April 15, 1899). Released April 28, 1976. {7MR 299.2}

Anyone is free to disagree with the explicit words of EGW.

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Pam Misner: I see. So which site did you find this quote?

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Frank T. Clark: The OFFICIAL Ellen G. White Website created by the SDA church. I prefer the text only version. I find it faster and simpler.

http://text.egwwritings.org/search.php?lang=en&collection=2§ion=all&QUERY=holy%20spirit%20third%20person&Search=Search

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Sandy VanDenburgh-Clark: He is a "person" as He is Christ's spirit. Jesus gave up something when He came to die for us, and he comes to us as the Comforter, “Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost.” — (E.G. White, 14MR 179.2...See More

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Sandy VanDenburgh-Clark: He gave up His omnipresence when He came here. But He can be with us in Spirit, His Spirit, as He said He would send the Comforter, himself. :-)

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Sandy VanDenburgh-Clark: Still like 3 if you will but the Spirit is His.

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Frank T. Clark: It is not "if I will" but what she says.

"The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven is the Spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Saviour. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized and these powers will cooperate with the obedient."

http://text.egwwritings.org/publication.php?pubtype=Book&bookCode=HP&lang=en&collection=2§ion=all&pagenumber=336&QUERY=three%20persons%20godhead&resultId=2

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Sandy VanDenburgh-Clark: Ellen White calls the Spirit of Christ a “person” but it is not another being but Christ! This explains her “third person” quotes. “Remember the words of Christ, remember that He is an unseen presence in the person of the Holy Spirit,” — (Ellen G. White, DG 185.2, 1897) Note carefully how Ellen White saw the Godhead: “They have one God and one Saviour; and one Spirit--the Spirit of Christ--is to bring unity into their ranks.” — (Ellen G. White, Testimonies Volume 9, p. 189, 1909)

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George Gomoll: Frank , still no bible quotes?? What did EGW say about using her writings in place of the Bible??

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Frank T. Clark: If people won't even accept 19th Century English words, then there is no hope for the 17th Century. People will believe what they want to believe and they will always have excuses to dismiss what they don't believe.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

The comment specifically mentioned EGW and that is what I responded to.

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George Gomoll: Many Bibles say this verse was added much later-not original--have another??

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Frank T. Clark: I knew you were going to bring that up! I have studied the "Biblical" scholarship that says this and discovered that they found only one or two "older" manuscripts that said this and disparage and rejected thousands of others. So, is God powerful enough to preserve His word or not?! My evaluation is that some who were trying to change God's Word made manuscripts that were never used. They lasted while the ones that WERE used, were worn out and didn't last. You can choose to believe what you want. Yes, there are others Bible verses but a few of out the the millions of Bible believers, including EGW and most of the Adventist pioneers, who believed in a Godhead of three persons, have created many excuses for rejecting or misinterpreting them all. I have found it interesting to discover that these few have other distorted ideas about much of Truth. Behind them I have found the original thought leaders teach other untruths and do not even practice Truth. So, I am not going to try to convince you or others and descend into argument. This is the work of the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 12:31-32
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Let he who has an ear willing to hear... There are many Bible studies available for those truly seeking truth. Be at peace...

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I know it is difficult to wade through what different people say and weigh the evidence based on its strength and the trustworthiness of the source. The Holy Spirit will be your guide and helper.

Are you trusting God to show you the Truth?

I pray we may all continue to seek love, peace, and unity in truth preparing for the soon coming of IAUShUO (ee-ah-oo-shoo-oh) Messiah, the Son of God.

Frank T. Clark
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