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IAUA (ee-ah-oo-ah) our Father,
Greetings on this day of preparation for the weekly Sabbath. I pray this newsletter finds you in good health and happy in the service of IAUA. This is the 5th day of the 5th month of God's Sacred Calendar in the estimated year 6018 Anno Mundi. The Fall Sabbaths begin in 8 weeks with Trumpets on the evening of the 1st day of the 7th month (Friday, September 29th on the 2014, Gregorian Calendar, at sunset on Thursday, September 29th). The Sacred month begins on the world day after lunar conjunction and the sacred year begins with the Spring Passover Rule dates my research and others have identified for determining the Gregorian Calendar dates of God's Sacred Calendar. The Millerite Calendar (Spring New Moon Rule) is the same this year. The Calculated Rabbinical Calendar is one day early in the fall. Another LinkedIN discussion I participated in that illustrates some important principles. A careful search for truth from the Bible, tested by the Bible, and the danger of those who would mislead. These excerpts have been edited for content and brevity. Dale Ratzlaf CEO at LAM Publications LLC, Blueberry LLC former SDA pastor, am I allowed to join in your discussions? If so, what to I need to do? Dale Ratzlaff Dale@Ratzlaf.com Mario Petrovalle (2,100 SDA's) Founder at E-ventist Network ( LINKEDin group ) Hello Dale, the record of membership of this group shows that you joined on May 3, 2013, which is over a year ago. Although it is not unusual for someone to join and remain silent for a year, it is strange that after a year of seeing other members participate in discussions, you would start a discussion asking if you are allowed to participate. Maybe when you mean former SDA Pastor, you also mean former member of the Seventh-day Adventist church. This is a guess based on your question asking if you are allowed to join in "your" discussions. Most people would have asked the question - Am I allowed to join the discussions. It may comfort you to know that the founder and owner of this group is a former Adventist. After 25 years as a member and 14 years on the Church Board I was "railroaded" out of the church because they did not want to talk about my concerns, and they did not want to follow the recommendations of the conference. My appeal has been blocked and so this is my congregation now and the Lord has blessed it with almost 2,300 members. I am a disciple of Jesus Christ rather than a member of the SDA church, and I believe in the doctrines and precious truths that God has given the the church. So if you are a former pastor, or a former member, you are certainly welcome to participate in my group, I'm not sure what you mean with What do I need to do? so contact me privately. Ken Davis Electronics Tech, personal ministries It's regretful, the heartless behavior of your church as a reward for your perseverance. I'm sure there's other churches that would take you in. If its any help, I think that when there are significant changes in the SDA church (the sifting/shaking and so forth when the church appears to have fallen) then the situation will turn around in your favor and many others who have been stonewalled. The church after it is purged will be filled with more humble members. I just dropped in after a long absence because I saw Dale Ratzlaff's name in the auto-email comment line . Dale on the other hand is legitimately a former Adventist because he runs an anti-SDA website, attacking not just the church but our doctrines for years. We exchanged some emails some years back and I finally asked Dale, if our interpretation of Revelation is wrong then what better interpretation is out there? Instead of providing an example, his answer was that Revelation should not be used for Christian doctrines. That at the core was his problem, denial of the inspiration of Revelation and who knows what other Bible books. James Clayburn Coordinator for ACS DR for E TN and Life Style Education I feel that Dale should be welcome if he desire to build-up and support the church. If he desires to divide and destroy, than he should do that elseware. Frank T. Clark Website Writer/Developer at IAUA End Time Ministry Adding to James comment... All who seek to follow all of God's Truth as He provides in His Word are welcome to discuss, share, and compare to grow in understanding. We all have failings and confusion to deal with but let us seek to build and support. Quentin Styger Retired at Home Someone who is anti SDA should not be on pro SDA forums. Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 2 Cor 6:14 http://www.ratzlaf.com/Books_c2.htmhttp://www.ratzlaf.com/Truth-Led-Me-Out-9780974767956.htm Bringing this man into our forums would be a disappointing decision. Jacob Thomas Tennis coach at Corporate Tennis academy I believe that he should also be allowed to participate in SDA discussions as long as he is pro-SDA in his comments. Like a lot of us, we may have negative experiances from the SDA management/administration, but that should never ever make us hate/deny the SDA fundamental beliefs and I believe very strongly that I am very BLESSED and yet HUMBLED to be an SDA believer since November 2005. My only regret is that I was not born into a family of SDA believers. I face a lot of negativity regarding this matter from many of my cousins, relativesand friends, but none of them can ever "Biblically" deny the Sabbath truths. Mario Petrovalle (2,100 SDA's) Ellen White was inspired to write that when we stand up for the truth, people who are not fully consecrated to God will persecute you. I personally have found this to be true, when I stand up for truth. Jacob describes this experience with his family members. I am especially against the church policy that I call "discipline by Cop" which is to call the police and civil authorities rather then resolve differences of opinion or grievances by actually talking. They 'railroaded' me out of the church and the conference blocks my appeal for reinstatement. Many of you know this story. My comment here is that, Dale wrote a book that the Truth led him out of the SDA church, and we should not validate this claim by persecuting him in any way. I did not read his book, so if he has truth to share, I will allow him to share it with us, so we can examine it carefully. I ask anyone involved with my appeal for reinstatement of membership to do the same thing, to allow me to reveal the truth about the unfair practices that manipulated the members of Manhattan Church to vote to remove my membership without hearing what I had to say in defense of the false charges against me. We are told that the SDA church is precious to God, he loves His people, therefore, as a child of God I will do the same and hold it previous and love it, despite how they treat me. Dale, I will not do to you what the church did to me, you are welcome to share what you consider as truth, but be careful, because if you hate the church, it will show through. And it would be more accurate to say, what the church is doing to me. Just last Sabbath, I was not served communion, the server intentionally passed me by. Randy Brehms Pastor Lakeport and Upperlake Seventh-day Adventist Churches I was friends with Dale and Carolyn in another life when Dale was the pastor of the Watsonville Church, and taught bible at Monterey Bay Academy. I found him friendly and amiable. In fact I sold a Rodgers Organ to the Watsonville Church while he was the pastor there. I was not in the church at the time, and Dale treated me very fairly. While I have over the years come to vastly different conclusions to the ones that he has arrived at and I am aware that between his influence and that of Robert Brinsmead, the World Wide Church of God abandoned the Sabbath, and fragmented. I think he could very definitely add interest into our conversation. Understanding from the outset that he has a very different view of how to study scripture (manifested in a failed study of the Sabbath with Samuel Bacctiochi) it should be interesting. In the intervening years I have embraced the whole of Torah which I am sure he would find objectionable. But I would welcome him. While I don't think Dale hates the "church" I think there is a great deal of unrequited anger for the "Seventh-day Adventist Church" as an organization. While the genesis of that anger had its seed in what He perceived was done to Dr. Desmond Ford" I think that in the intervening years other issues have created a wider and more permanent gap. I understand from what I have gleaned. Dale's emphasis is on an interpretation of the "New Covenant" and is one that Seventh-day Adventists would have a problem embracing and frankly it is one that I struggle with. But with all that said. Welcome aboard. Pastor Subigca Pastor at Plentywood Seventh Day Adventist Church This group was designed to tackle relevant issues for the good of everyone and the bottom line of every discussion is to make us understand. I know several promising ministers who are no longer connected in the conference but still active in the ministry. To Dale, you are still my comrade in the ministry. Hope to hear more from you. Randy Brehms After continued thoughtful consideration, this group should be aware of at least four books Dale has written that are extremely antagonistic to Adventism. "Sabbath in Christ, Revised Edition","The Christian "in Christ" "Truth Led Me Out","The Cultic Doctrine of Seventh-day Adventism. I believe His purpose is to pull Seventh-day Adventists out of what he firmly believes is cultist beliefs.. The aforementioned books have been in circulation, and are not a passive take it leave it approach to Adventistism. If you accept his thesis statements, you will not remain a Seventh-day Adventist. He most certainly believes in "once saved, always saved" and is a contributor and/or editor of "Proclamation"which is at the very least a frontal attack not only on Adventist beliefs, but solidly attacks the gift of prophecy. It is a supreme irony that Dale left the Adventist Church in exactly the steps described by Ellen White which was a trajectory that would culminate in rejecting the Sabbath. I would suggest that he will not be on this website to gain understanding of Adventist doctrine, but will be on this site to pull people away from the Adventist Church. I do not think I am misrepresenting him. History if nothing else should teach us caution. Dale is not a friend to Seventh-day Adventists! You will not dissuasive him, or pull him back, Therefore I hesitate to endorse the way I did in my first post. Dale Ratzlaf I have been following the conversation for some on this link for time. I am still a "truth seeker" if one can define "truth" based upon Scripture alone. Some time ago there was discussion about Matt. 5:17ff. "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. (Mat 5:17-18). I wanted to ask the question, "What does Jesus mean by "Law" in this passage. As this was important to me in my study, I wanted to know if anyone in this group has done a thorough study of this? Quentin Styger Jesus is referring to the 10 commandments. Frank T. Clark Dale, Now this is going to get very interesting... I firmly believe in Omnis Scriptura et Sola Scriptura. I have done a very intense and thorough study of this subject for more than the last ten years. Law G3551 nom'-os partial quote of a definition: ...generally (regulation), specifically (of Moses [including the volume]; also of the Gospel), or figuratively (a principle): - law. For this and a hundred other reasons I believe it is ALL of God's Law. In the words of our Savior just prior to His incarnation: Malachi 4:4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. And after His incarnation He said:
Matthew 23:2 Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: Tungesh Mohan Producer at Protestant Reformation: Quo Vadis Dale's books are damaging to Adventism,,, He has only one agenda...in the name of so-called truth to destroy the truth of Adventism..... Pardon my expresssion: wolf in sheep's clothing.... Bill Taitague Field Operations Manager at Pacific Edge Solutions We must not allow people who have consistently oppose Biblical truth to come into discussion with this group. You cannot have error mix with truth because it is still error! A poison is still a poison regardless of the doses given. This person has a track record against Biblical truth and he will be use by the opposition to try and cause subtle confusion to catch people within the church unawares to put doubts and fears of Biblical doctrines in the Seventh-day Adventist Church which some may eventually leave. This is a ploy the devil uses to ensnare members who are not fully grounded in Biblical truths. He has an ulterior motives to divide or destroy the SDA Church. Beware! He may appear to be as "harmless as a dove" but may be a very vicious and wise serpent! Jacob Thomas As a "hard-core" SDA believer, I have won arguments from fundamentalist muslim theologians who almost got me branded as an Israeli spy in Arabia because of my Sabbath beliefs and if I can pass these very risky experiance, I can face any person who wishes to openly debate against SDA faith and I will win it though I will definitely lose him as a friend in the process. I function best when its me against the multitude. God has blessed me abundantly in the simple fact that every person I have won an argument/debate over the Biblical truths of the SDA doctrines have stopped being my friend, but they went on to become pro-SDA later and even attend SDA gatherings wherever they are. They are just ashamed to give me credit and give misleading testimonies of crediting others for bringing them to the SDA fold, but I know that God will "reward" me for my efforts. Praise be to our Lord God Almighty for I am just his very minute reflection. Dale Ratzlaf Matthew should be studied in Context. If one looks up all the uses of "law" in Matthew, one will find that in every instance Matthew refers to some other portion of the Torah other than the 10 Commandments. Also, if one looks up every use of "fulfill" in the book of Matthew, all but one refer to something that Christ did "to fulfill what was written..." then he will quote some portion of the OT. Therefore, it seems to me that unless there is good contextual reasons Matthew 5:17-19 should be understood in the context of Matthew's other uses. Looking at the context, Matthew says "Law AND prophets" therefore one must, it seems to me conclude that Matthew refers to the whole Torah. If one accepts this, what are the implications? Ken Davis Both the ceremonial law and the moral law were fulfilled by Christ but not in the same way. He was the prophetic shadow fulfillment of the ceremonial law and the embodied fulfillment of the moral 10 commandment law. If you think that the early church dismissed the Sabbath, you haven't read Acts 16:13. And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither. There were no Jews involved in this gathering but only Christians. As for the prophets, their messages certainly apply more today than anciently so Christ would have no need to destroy them. 1 Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Mario Petrovalle (2,100 SDA's) For those who feel that Dale is threatening this group. He gives you a statement that challenges you to disprove him. Three comments above this one Dale says, "If one looks up all the uses of "law" in Matthew, one will find that in every instance Matthew refers to some other portion of the Torah other than the 10 Commandments." Here is your challenge to prove him a wolf. I am not looking to challenge him, but I will stimulate the discussion with a text from Matthew 19 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? Matthew 19: 3 These verses seem to be talking about Adultery. So when Dale says to look up the uses of "law" in Matthew, can "is it lawful" count as a use of "law" Dale Ratzlaf I still maintain that taken into consideration, the use of the word "law" in Mt. 5:17-19, Jesus is referring to the whole Torah. If that is the case, then we are on the horns of a dilemma. Either we must keep everything in the Torah, (member the jot and tittle) as do the messianic group, or we must realize that Jesus is pointing to the whole law that was fulfilled in Christ. As John 17:12; 19:30; Heb. 10:1. However, this in no way negates any of the eternal moral principles of Scripture. Frank T. Clark Mario, I accept the challenge to prove him a wolf. Dale is practicing bait and switch. He sucks us into agreement with the idea of the Law of Moses but then begins a subtle switch that falls right into the typical Adventist understanding that "fulfill" means something was done away with at the cross. He is going to try to put a crowbar into that chink in typical Adventist understanding to lead to a greater rejection of truth. I will not continue with my thoughts on this subject in this discussion. I will not participate in this farce of trying to "help" him. I am reminded of the cruder methods of Pastor Mock who would not accept or discuss the real truth. Let those who are eager to strut their ability to debate with an infidel deal with him privately but it is clear to me, from his own words, in this discussion, that he seeks an audience, not truth. Those who study carefully and obey God's Word will be guided by the Holy Spirit. Do you guard your soul and those around you by careful study and obedience? I pray we may all continue to seek love, peace, and unity in truth preparing for the soon coming of IAUShUO (ee-ah-oo-shoo-oh) Messiah, the Son of God.
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