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IAUA (ee-ah-oo-ah) our Father,
Greetings on this day of preparation for the weekly Sabbath. I pray this newsletter finds you in good health and happy in the service of IAUA. This is the 24th day of the 6th month of God's Sacred Calendar in the estimated year 6018 Anno Mundi. The Fall Sabbaths begin in 1 week with Trumpets on the evening of the 1st day of the 7th month (Friday, September 26th on the 2014, Gregorian Calendar, at sunset on Thursday, September 25th). The Sacred month begins on the world day after lunar conjunction and the sacred year begins with the Spring Passover Rule dates for determining the Gregorian Calendar dates of God's Sacred Calendar. The Millerite Calendar (Spring New Moon Rule) is the same this year. The Calculated Rabbinical Calendar is one day early in the fall. In last weeks discussion on a Messianic Judaism forum, I stated "Even when there is clear teachings of disobedience to what the Bible teaches." This caused quite a stir. The example I gave of disobedience, was the use of a formula and postponements for God's Sacred Calendar instead of the actual movements of the sun and moon. The forum moderator believes in the yearly Aviv determination (barley "in the ear"). This is rejected by the rules of the forum, which adheres to the Hillel (Calculated Rabbinical) Calendar. I was encouraged by the moderator to discuss calendar determination. I suspect he was looking for opportunity to defend Aviv, though it is forbidden by the rules, by leveraging off of my discussion. The discussion is heavily edited for brevity and focus. The original can be found at:
God's Sacred Calendar Post by Frank T. Clark God has specified a calendar. The Roman Catholic Gregorian Calendar is a corruption of God's Sacred Calendar based on man's traditions. We seek to follow God's Sacred Calendar. There is disagreement about the details of God's Sacred Calendar. The majority of Messianic Judaism follows the Hillel method of Calendar determination. Most recognize there are some problems with the Hillel method of Calendar determination. Perhaps we could investigate the evidence for the details of God's Sacred Calendar to reach a better understanding and deeper knowledge of this important subject. I believe Gods respects and accepts our practice of the best that we know. I also believe God expects us to dig deeper into His truth. The first point I will introduce for discussion is one of the most basic of Calendar determination. The Hillel Calendar is based completely on a formula. Some propose the time of the ripening of the barley is used for determining the start of a year. This is rejected by the rules of this Forum. I happen to agree. I believe this verse provides the proper guidance. I happen to quote this verse from the ERV. Gen 1:14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the sky. These lights will separate the days from the nights. They will be used for signs to show when special meetings begin and to show the days and years. In brief, the "special meetings" are the Hebrew word MUODIM. This forum uses the spelling Moedim. Therefore observation of the sun and moon provides signals for determining the calendar. The formula for the Hillel Calendar is an impressive device, which is often reasonably accurate, but is not based on direct observation and contains known inaccuracies. If you are interested in the details of my continuing study see: http://www.sacredcalendar.info/ Is the Bible clear that observation of the sun and moon provides the signals for determining the calendar? Post by alon As I said, I am of the aviv calendar persuasion, but I can't discuss that here. I am however open to instruction, so if anyone can prove the method used by Syangogue Chavarut HaMashiach I'll be glad to add another post to my "Boy, was I wrong!" thread. Dan C Post by Frank T. Clark I propose to take this one simple step at a time. Does this Bible verse make it clear that observation of the sun and moon provides the signals for determining the calendar? The website reference is only offered for those who are interested in the details of my continuing study. It is not required or needed to discuss this simple beginning question. I suspect this thought alone can easily be a big discussion point for those interested in a deeper understanding of Bible truth about God's Sacred Calendar. Post by alon Gen 1:14 (Youngs Literal Translation) And God saith, `Let luminaries be in the expanse of the heavens, to make a separation between the day and the night, then they have been for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years, This by itself doesn't give a method of making a calendar, just some of the tools we will use. It doesn't even say it is an exhaustive list. Further the signs are for more than calendar events, they are for God's moedim- both the annual feast which commemorates the events and for the events themselves. It is also important to note that the signs, which happen only just before the event is not the event itself; only the harbinger of the event. The sign of an event doesn't happen every year. This is not to say there can't be some signs which occur on a regular monthly or annual basis- obviously they do: the new moon, full moon waxing and waning crescents, suns arc of the skyline changing as the season changes. But where does it say only some of these determine the calendar exclusive of the aviv barley? (Which I can't teach about, but I can ask you to teach, or prove your view. And like I said, I'm not so locked into my position I can't be convinced, but you'll have to convince me to get me to change my mind on it). Dan C Post by Frank T. Clark YLT is also one of the translations I often use. The word "seasons" can be directly traced as an approximate translation of the Hebrew word MUODIM (Moedim). Agreed. The verse only outlines the tools. It does not specify how to use them but it does specify them. Also agreed that the event must follow the signal. The verse specifies that the sun and moon signal the MUODIM and the year, therefore, I don't observe that there is room to insert another method for these same determinations. While the signal of a solar eclipse at the new moon is a spectacular signal the time of the new moon can still be known, even when it does not result in an eclipse. There is not the same spectacular signal at the equinox (equivalent annual analogy to sunset/sunrise) but it is clearly identified in the Bible and readily (even precisely!) determined. Exodus 12:2 This month will be the first month of the year for you. It is true the aviv barley occurs at about the same time but the time is determined by the sun as specified in Genesis, not the aviv barley. The movement of the sun cannot be affected by weather and drought as the aviv barley certainly can be. I certainly believe God provides something more precise to determine His Holy Days than the stage of aviv. This next comment comes because I am very precise with the use of words. I could just overlook it but I am not fully comfortable with the words "teach" or "prove". May I just "share" and "discuss" my current conclusions from my studies? :-) Post by alon This is true, they are precise events. Keep in mind that if you are discussing these as prophetic or calendar events, you are talking about when they are observed in Jerusalem only. I'm sure you have more than this to back up your case. However what is stated here is your opinion, nothing more. What scriptural evidence do you have to go with this? Frank, the idea of the aviv setting the start of the month which bears its name is that God sets the calendar. He determines the start of the new year. And thus He sets the dates on which we worship Him. More I can't say- but you can. Why do you believe it is the mathematically certain positions of the sun and moon? And if that is the case, wouldn't the Hillel calendar be the one to use? Dan (still in the aviv stage) C Post by jimmie (1 Sam 20:5 KJV) And David said unto Jonathan, Behold, to morrow is the new moon, and I should not fail to sit with the king at meat: but let me go, that I may hide myself in the field unto the third day at even. (1 Sam 20:18 KJV) Then Jonathan said to David, To morrow is the new moon: and thou shalt be missed, because thy seat will be empty. (1 Sam 20:24 KJV) So David hid himself in the field: and when the new moon was come, the king sat him down to eat meat. It appears as though David and Jonathan could determine when the new moon was going to be with out seeing it. Post by alon Yes, we've already established the absolute predictability of the movement of the moon and sun. The stars could also be charted and predicted, and the astrologers of the time had the ability to do this. Apparently, by your scriptures even people not bent to astrology could predict some of the movement of heavenly signs. Dan C Post by Frank T. Clark I already quoted twice: Gen 1:14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the sky. These lights will separate the days from the nights. They will be used for signs to show when special meetings begin and to show the days and years. Therefore observation of the sun and moon provides signals for determining the calendar. The formula for the Hillel Calendar is an impressive device, which is sometimes reasonably accurate, but is not based on direct observation and contains known inaccuracies that get worse over time. It is possible to predict with a high degree of accuracy a limited time into the future but not with a formula which was not accurate in the first place and has been used for over a thousand years. I believe the Bible is clear on these basics. I am willing to follow and obey God's Word. There are more details but if the basics are not agreed then it is fruitless to discuss further details. Post by alon OK, for the sake of discussion, we will assume that the "lights in the sky" is an exhaustive list of the tools used. So how do you use them? Dan C Post by Frank T. Clark Basic principles, not exhaustive. Once you determine the basic principles then you cannot add anything that contradicts or replaces the principles. You can add additional principles that add details but they must not contradict or replace the basic principles. The principle that the event must follow the signal has been mentioned and is very important and valuable to add. It was also mentioned that a frame of reference is required and that the reference is Jerusalem. One of many references:
Psalms 132:13 For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation. The world uses Greenwich as the center of the frame of reference which is about two hours later in the rotation of the earth that defines the day. However, for us the day begins twelve hours in advance of coming to Jerusalem and ends twelve hours later. The day changes in the middle of the great ocean on the other side of the world from Jerusalem which is usefully a place of very little habitation. Therefore, in answer to a question sometimes asked, based on these principles. The beginning of the first day of the month must be the first full day after the astronomical new moon (also called conjunction or when an eclipse would occur, if there is alignment). It is interesting to note that the moon will be over 12 hours old at sunset in Jerusalem and likely visible under ideal conditions (except that with modern pollution there are never ideal conditions). We do not need to depend on unreliable visual observation but use the information provided by modern astronomy, which is obsessed with the precision useful to our purposes. Next we will examine the start of the year. Post by alon You lost me. Why does the day change in the middle of the Pacific? It changes at sundown in Jerusalem first, then continuing around the world as the earth turns. By "begins twelve hours in advance of coming to Jerusalem" I take it you mean starts at sundown? Also now, if they are not exhaustive but only basic then this would open the possibility for other methods to be used. So there IS room between the sun and the moon after all ... nod Dan C Post Options Dan, I am going to be patient with you because I believe you do have good intentions. However, your continued attempt to add Aviv to the basic principles, which has no purpose or value except to replace the basic principles, is straining my patience. I have been tempted to walk away from this discussion but I will continue in the hope that we can learn something together and others will also benefit. When we talk about determining days, months, and years, we must carefully consider the needs of the entire world, with Jerusalem as the reference. Consider what you are saying. There is a local day from sunset to sunset but there is a world day which begins somewhere. Do you understand that your statement means you think that east of Jerusalem is a different day than west of Jerusalem? There must be a spot where this is true but surely you don't think it is at Jerusalem? My statement means that Jerusalem is in the center of the world day. The beginning of the world day starts about twelve hours before sunset in Jerusalem, arrives in Jerusalem at sunset and continues around the world until the whole world is in a different hour of the same day, with Jerusalem in the center. Then a new world day begins and the process repeats. I understand this is a not a simple concept but it makes a lot of sense and I believe it is obvious, once you take the time to study it through. Those who are diligent to follow all of what God says will study not just what God says in His Word but how to apply it to real life. II Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Post by alon I think what you are talking about is "daylight" on the one hand and the start of the calendar day at sundown in Jerusalem on the other. One is a physical event, the other the Biblical start of the day; and both coinciding. Right? Dan C Post by Frank T. Clark I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. This is not a simple concept but is obvious to anyone who travels around the world either physically or by phone where you meet people who are in a different time zones and experience the changes of the time zones. It is like the difficult jarring concept of Daylight Saving Time multiplied by 24 causing even the day to change. I am not talking about anything related to the pagan concept of day. I am using the term "world" to refer to a worldwide event. The world makes a complete rotation every 24 hours. The "local day" is the day starting at sundown where you are. The "world day" is the experience of a "local day" by TO individuals through all the time zones of the world. The concept of the IDL (International Date Line) used by all people (but not understood by all) is a valid one but it is based on being the opposite side of the world from Greenwich, England as the frame of reference. The TO frame of reference is Jerusalem, Israel. The difference is only about two time zones but is significant to those of us who want to see things from God's perspective. Perhaps this additional explanation will make rereading what I said more understandable. Your statement: "It changes at sundown in Jerusalem first, then continuing around the world as the earth turns.", taken literally, means that ten miles east of Jerusalem is still the sixth day of the week (I agree that pagan names are not ideal but a reasonable frame of reference) when it changes to Sabbath, the seventh day at Jerusalem. In reality, the start of Sabbath begins on the other side of the world from Jerusalem, twelve hours before reaching Jerusalem. Jerusalem is in the center of the change of the day. Is it becoming clearer? Post by alon Think so. Shabbath will start at sundown wherever you are, and the time will be different depending on how much more the earth must rotate to bring darkness to your area. Jerusalem should be like Greenwich in that the first day should start there and 24 hrs later the first ending should be there. I'd agree this is how calendars should be made, but I havn't seen any. Post by jimmie Frank, I look forward to this discussion. I am a little weak in my understanding in regards to the calender. Post by Frank T. Clark Determination of God's Sacred Calendar is a fascinating but difficult subject. The concepts are difficult and understanding comes hard because it is often challenging to a person's traditional beliefs. There are many different belief systems that disagree with each other. I suspect that God has deliberately made the determination non-trivial to test the faithfulness and determination of His people. I REPEAT that I believe God accepts the honest intent of what day a person understands and observes. God knows the heart. The Holy Spirit will guide the honest seeker. The local day is pretty simple. The seven-day week is pretty simple. Just explaining the concept of a "world-wide" day has left a great deal of confusion but it is critical to understand what day we are observing and what day is the day after the "signal" event. I have given the basics of determining the start of the month (Questions?) but it gets even more difficult in the next step of determining the start of the year. Those who follow God's signals rather than other methods are split on determining which day of the first month that must be after the Vernal (Spring) Equinox. I present all these issues in greater detail at the www.sacredcalendar.info website. Some follow the Spring New Moon Rule that says the first day of the month must be after the Vernal (Spring) Equinox. There are several reasons why I believe the day of focus is not the first day of a month (the pagan New Year's day) because it is a monthly event. I believe God's New Years day is the first yearly Sabbath of Unleavened Bread.
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. This is called the Spring Passover Rule. Passover is God's New Year's Eve celebration and the fifteenth day of the month is God's New Year's Day. This agrees with the mathematically adjusted original Hillel Calendar formula. Unfortunately, a small error in the simple formula causes the Passover average to fall later in the year by about six minutes/year. After more than a thousand years the Hillel Calendar formula causes the year to start a month late in some years. Post by jimmie Then the first month is part in the old year and part in the new year? www.torahcalendar.com/ORBITS.asp?HebrewDay=10&HebrewMonth=6&Year=2014 The above site appears to use the same rule as you do for determining the festivals. However they set the first day of the year to the first day of the month instead of on the festival as you indicate. My question is why isn’t the first day of the year the day of the spring equinox? Jimmie Post by Frank T. Clark You need to define what you intend to mean by "the first day of the year". :-) I gave one definition and a method based on evaluating all the evidence I could gather. Yes, I gathered from tradition and even the Hillel Calendar. This might surprise you after my warnings about tradition but I never said tradition was wrong. I only warned about the dangers of wrong traditions. It is tricky to discern the difference. The Bible is not scientifically clear on how to determine the details of the calendar. I gave as my first scripture reference from the beginning of my comment and from the beginning of the Bible where God states the primary basis for days, MUODIM, and years. The rest is based on interpreting those basics into rules according to logic and tradition. Primarily the tradition of the Hillel Calendar. I recognize this is a very deep and complex subject. You can throw stones, if you want. I am open to discussing any flaw you find in my interpreting God's basics into rules according to logic and Jewish tradition. It is highly important to understand the concept of the "world-wide day", which is needed to be specific. This is not a simple discussion. I have summarized over 100 published printed pages of careful analysis from my website into this brief discussion. Even the website does not attempt to explain every detail but provides enough for a person to study to learn for themselves. I am a firm believer in expecting a person to be required to study deeply for themselves to reach understanding. 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. We do this study with all the diligence we have because we love Him. Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Post by alon No stone throwin' (which would be unseemly for a mod), but you haven't convinced me. I am still a believer in the aviv method for accuracy and because God sets the calendar each year this way. And I still use the Hilel calendar for continuity when talking with others. However I do appreciate the attempt to show me your method. Always interesting to see how others do it and why. Dan C Long term newsletter readers know how often this subject has been discussed and the difficulty of understanding and reaching agreement. Do you make an honest attempt to understand God's plan? I pray we may all continue to seek love, peace, and unity in truth preparing for the soon coming of IAUShUO (ee-ah-oo-shoo-oh) Messiah, the Son of God.
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