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(ee-ah-oo-ah) our Father,
Greetings on this day of preparation for the weekly Sabbath. I pray this newsletter finds you in good health and happy in the service of IAUA. This is the 5th day of the 7th month of God's Sacred Calendar in the estimated year 6016 Anno Mundi. The fall holy day season continues with Atonement Sabbath in five days starting the evening of the 10th day of the 7th month (Wednesday, September 26th on the 2012, Gregorian Calendar, beginning sunset on Tuesday, September 25th). An amazing thing occurs in the Gregorian Calendar years of both 2011 and 2012. Those who follow the Millerite Calendar (Spring New Moon Rule) and the Jewish Calendar agree with the Spring Passover Rule dates my research, and others, has determined for the Gregorian Calendar dates of God's Sacred Calendar! It has come to my attention the Karaite Calendar determination has placed The Fall Sabbaths a day later than others. This is probably because they use predicted visual sighting rules which can be very arbitrary. Perhaps the Karaites simply do not want to agree with the Calculated Rabbinical Calendar.
In the 2012-09-07 newsletter Love Sinners, Hate Sin? I commented on the "minor elements pushing the acceptance of the GLBT lifestyle in the church". The newsletter and my comment were triggered by another dramatic discussion on LinkedIN. I believe the contents of the discussion are valuable to share with you.
Jacqueline Hegarty • Has anyone seen this article? And what do think about the situation? Anti-Bullying Advocates Bullied By Church huffingtonpost.com "When Carrol Grady received a phone call telling her that her organization was being disinvited from having a booth at this week's North American gathering of Seventh-day Adventist teachers, she was shocked and distressed..."
Frank T. Clark • Unfortunately, while anti-bullying is a good cause, supporting the anti-Biblical stance of practicing homosexuality is not a good cause. It is a difficult issue to see clearly and know what the best choices are. They are many gray and twisting dividing lines between truth and error. While we have the highest concern for all of God's children who are mistreated in any way, we must never cross the line into condoning sin. It is a difficult task to love sinners but hate sin. We have the words of our Saviour to guide us. 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
Brian Eller • I agree with Frank; there is a fine line between supporting the person and condoning the sin, and it is, at best, questionable which side of the line this group falls on. The one point that jumped out at me was the statement, "While not attempting to be thorough, the opinions expressed on her website are backed up by research." This is all well and good, but let's remember, the same can be said for Evolution. Yes, we are to hate the sin, and love the sinner, but loving the sinner shouldn't include telling them that what they are doing is OK. As Frank mentions above, christ didn't say, 'It's OK, I love you anyhow." He said, "Go and sin no more". I also have to say, I think that "Anti-Bullying" is a noble effort, but I question how realistic such a quest really is. Myself, I think it honestly falls along the lines of a church instituting an "Anti-Sin" policy. A great concept, but realistically, I don't think it's going to happen in this world. Don't get me wrong, I am in no way condoning, nor defending bullying. I was bullied growing up just like everybody else, and it hurts, it's an awful thing to happen; but I don't believe that a "policy" is going to actually stop anything.
Jacqueline Hegarty • My mantra is, "Love the church, hate the politics." The action of the NAD at its 2012 K-12 Teachers' Convention was clearly poltical.
Andrea Jones, MBA • I like your comments Frank and I agree it is difficult to love the sinner but hate the sin. Bullying is wrong; point blank. I think that it is unfair to couple that with the offense to homosexuals alone. The groups message could have been more inclusive. What a beautiful example you quoted with Jesus and the women at the well. The church must find a way to embrace these individuals and show love to them while not condoning the sin of homosexuality.
Frank T. Clark • I also often find it appropriate to carefully consider these words of our Saviour. 14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Jacqueline Hegarty • Frank, those words of Jesus could certainly apply to those kids (and adults) who bully other human beings, whatever the reason they do it.
Jacqueline Hegarty • Brian, if you think that bullying in schools is not an important issue OR that it can't be controlled, you are really out of touch with current issues.
Jacqueline Hegarty • Andrea, the whole objective of Carrol Grady's ministry, Someone To Talk to (http://someone-to-talk-to.net/), is to "provide information and resources in the hope that they will help our church to move beyond ignorance and prejudice and to reach out with true compassion and understanding to those who so often have not been treated the way Jesus modeled."
Andrea Jones, MBA • And Jacqueline, that could include a vast number of individuals, groups, classes, etc. Bullying is something we all are subject to.
Andrea Jones, MBA • Jacqueline, I also have a question that I would like to ask and I ask truly for clear understanding. Because the issue is such a hot button, it is never put plainly what the expectation is of the homosexual from the church. When you say they want the church to reach out in true compassion is it to embrace the homosexual life style or is it to work with their overcoming the life style? I don't mean any harm, but often the homosexual community confuse issues; to me, by lobbying for common rights because of who they are. But to expect the church to change its doctrine, which is based on God's word, is above and beyond, the common rights of this world. Please help me to understand their true desire from the church.
Emil Mikle • When a position on an issue is taken, there are always people that are unhappy. There are always people that make it their business to complain. Bullying is wrong, I agree, we are all subject to it. How do we deal with it? Whether in the church our at work or at the Grocery store, or driving? This group has a double agenda, they are hiding their real agenda under the bullying pretext. Lately on the news and in the papers LBGTA is pushing hard for their rights, even in the political arena, so now that politicians are listening to the LBGTA agenda obviously because of the potential votes, this group is pushing hard in the church too. What does the Bible say about this type of lifestyle? Do the researchers that back "Someone to talk to" confirm their research with what the Bible says? It is interesting to note that the Womens Ordination issue came first and now it is followed by the push of LBGTA. Look at other protestant churches for the trending.
Jacqueline Hegarty • Andrea, the secular LGBTI (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, intersex) community wants EQUAL rights, not so-called "special" rights. They want to be able to marry legally, hold down jobs, raise families, and live and move safely in society, just like straight people do. The Adventist LGBTI community is seeking for open-minded dialog and understanding which, to date, only a few Adventist congregations and individuals have been willing to engage in. Both communities wish you would not call sexual orientation a "lifestyle." If you get a chance to view a screening of the film, "Seventh-Gay Adventists" please do so. I believe that would answer many of your questions. Emil, the Someone To Talk to ministry is not "hiding" anything. They are quite transparent. Their full Statement of Purpose reads: The purpose of this ministry for Adventist families and friends of gays and lesbians is: •to provide a listening ear for parents who desperately need a "safe" person to talk to, •to help parents work through their initial emotions of shock, anger, shame, grief and pain, •to enable parents to get past focusing on their own suffering so they can begin to understand their children's situations and the confusion and rejection they have experienced much of their lives, •to encourage parents to demonstrate God's unconditional love to their children, and •to provide information and resources in the hope that they will help our church to move beyond ignorance and prejudice and to reach out with true compassion and understanding to those who so often have not been treated the way Jesus modeled.
Frank T. Clark • Jaqueline, I am sorry, I have to disagree with you. Homosexuality is Sin. Just like Adultery is Sin and Murder is Sin. There is no such thing as "Equal Rights" for sin. Our Saviour never modeled an acceptance of a continuing, deliberate, "sinful lifestyle". NEVER, NEVER, NEVER. It is not a "sexual orientation". It is SIN. Yes! We need to be understanding of the struggle with sin but it is a struggle to leave sin, not an acceptance of sin. Our Saviour spoke clear guidance in the verses I quoted earlier, which I will not repeat. Yes! Bullying is also sin. Even bullying by words, in an attempt to shame or mislead someone into condoning sin, is wrong. I have the tenderest concern for anyone's struggle with any sin. However, I can never say it is OK to sin. It is true, our church has difficulty in being compassionate toward those who struggle with sin. Far too often we simply want to put any sight of the struggle with sin out of our sight and out of our church. Pray for us all.
Jacqueline Hegarty • Frank, first of all, I don't know what you're disagreeing with, since I did not state whether or not I believe "homosexuality is sin." That was an assumption on your part. Secondly, you have to clarify "homosexuality." In the context of your post, you are equating homosexuality to an action, like adultery or murder, which is not the case. Homosexuality--like heterosexuality--is an inherent characteristic; it is what someone IS, not what they DO. Obviously, you don't agree with that, but it is fact. And it is NOT a "lifestyle," regarding of what you think. However, I accept that you disagree with that, and that is your right. Your opinion is none of my business.
Frank T. Clark • Jaqueline, What you claim is fact is NOT fact. When a person believes in the Bible and the God of the Bible, they will find the facts when they study the Bible. God is our creator and He says GLBTI is "sin". Do I need to quote the verses for you? We can deny, but we cannot change, the way He proclaims He made us. He made us "heterosexual" by His own command. Therefore, we cannot BE anything He did not make us to be. It a CHOICE to go against God, therefore, homosexuality is a choice NOT an inherent characteristic. This is not my opinion, it is the Word of God. You can deny the Word of God, that is your right. Don't pretend you are doing anything other than denying the Word of God. You can rationalize and offer all the excuses you want. I do not speak these words for your benefit, because it appears you have made up your mind. I offer these explanations for the benefit of those who may be confused by your twisting of the facts. Do not expect the church to give any support to denying the Word of God. I love you as a sister because we are all children of our Heavenly Father. I beg you to accept our Father's guidance for our lives. 11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Are you seeking to be more compassionate like your Heavenly Father without condoning sin? I pray we may all continue to seek love, peace, and unity in truth preparing for the soon coming of IAUShUO (ee-ah-oo-shoo-oh) Messiah, the Son of God.
Frank T. Clark
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