2013-07-19 Dilemma III


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Dear Brothers and Sisters in IAUA (ee-ah-oo-ah) our Father,

Greetings on this day of preparation for the weekly Sabbath. I pray this newsletter finds you in good health and happy in the service of IAUA. This is the 10rd day of the 5th month of God's Sacred Calendar in the estimated year 6017 Anno Mundi.

The fall Holy Day season begins with Trumpets Sabbath in 7 weeks and 1 day on the evening of the 1st day of the 7th month (Sabbath, September 7th on the 2013, Gregorian Calendar, at sunset on Friday, September 6th).

The Sacred month begins on the world day after lunar conjunction and the sacred year begins with the Spring Passover Rule dates my research, and others, has determined for the Gregorian Calendar dates of God's Sacred Calendar. The Millerite Calendar (Spring New Moon Rule) is a month late this year. The Calculated Rabbinical Calendar is two days early in the fall this year.


The dispute over the Sabbath continues with a Sunday pastor who simply will not give up. Pastor Mock is the name he has given.


Pastor Mock • Frank, the Bible says on the Seventh Day God rested. We can argue until we are blue in the face about Saturday or Sunday when neither day is mentioned by name only the "Seventh Day." I have been on my death bed twice in 58 years, was an orphan, my faith in God, not a day of the week, is what has sustained me. The Bible says there is only one way to heaven, when one ask for forgiveness of their sins and invites Jesus, not a day of the week, Jesus into their heart and soul as their Lord and Savior. That and that alone will get me to heaven. Now how is this in your words Frank,

" Pastor Mock, It is not an act of learning when you misrepresent the truth of what the Bible says. You can pretend to hide behind a cover of learning but the truth is that you are the one who is criticizing and being judgmental. My way means nothing. I have said only what the Bible says. It is God's way according to the Bible or... In order to avoid argument, it looks like I will need to allow you to continue spreading misleading statements."

John 3:16-17, does not say a day of the week gets you to heaven.

"For God so loveth the world that He gave His only Son that whoever believeth in Him (not a day of the week) shall have eternal life."

How is what I just said misrepresenting the Bible Frank? " In order to avoid argument, it looks like I will need to allow you to continue spreading misleading statements."

What is the truth Frank?


Brian Halley • Pastor Mock, the weekly cycle is beyond question. The seventh-day has been kept throughout the centuries by the Jews who still worship on Saturday. In many languages the word Saturday is Sabbath like Spanish. In many African languages the word for Saturday is "I Am's Day" when translated.

Astronomers looking at the stars are able to identify a weekly cycle and it points to Saturday as the seventh-day.

In regards to your John 3:16 you need to consider this along with James 2:19 " You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe- and shudder!" Just believing is only the start. There must be a change associated with believing. James 2:17 "So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead."

God blessed the seventh-day, not first, third, or fifth. Not the second, forth, or sixth, but He blessed the seventh-day. To obtain the full blessing we need to set aside all we would do and spend the time with Him. Isaiah 58:13-14 "'If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day,if you call the Sabbath a delight and the Lord’s holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words, then you will find your joy in the Lord, and I will cause you to ride in triumph on the heights of the land and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob.' For the mouth of the Lord has spoken."

Please be sure the Bible is clear.


Pastor Mock • I respect you Brian as my brother in-Christ and have better things to do to serve God than waste time debating a day of the week. it's kind of like the dog chasing its tail around and around. There is only one way to heaven and His name is Jesus, not a day of the week.


Andrea Jones, MBA • In the beginning God created the earth in six days and rested the seventh day and blessed it as a day between He and man to remember and honor Him. Pastor Mock, there is only one way to heaven and it is honoring God.


Pastor Mock • AMEN ANDREA I AGREE 100%! FOR Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and whoever believes in Him is assured eternal life when Jesus Christ is their Lord and Savior. One does not get to heaven debating Saturday or Sunday.


Rukundo Paschal • Dear Friends, brethren and sisters, The Bible is clear about the Sabbath, the problem is that we want to do things according to our own understanding. God says that we should keep the Sabbath which is on the seventh day of the week, He did not say any day, but the seventh day. This is the best purpose of God for us because He knows the people. that is why the Lord has specified the day. Just the seventh one.

Many people say that any day you can worship it is good, but they do not think the reason why God sanctified the seventh day, rested on it and kept it holy. this was the real sign for us to know day at which we should rest and worship the Lord. but I do not say that we should pray on the seventh day only, no, we must pray everyday, but keeping the special day that the Lord has made for us so we rejoice in it.

Dear friends, let us work according to the will of God. This is the only way for us to overcome satan's traps.


Pastor Mock • I agree Rukundo, but why the arguement about Saturday VS Sunday? I honestly do not get it.


Frank T. Clark • Pastor Mock, It is because you do not want to get it. Saturday is the seventh day God has specified. You can do what God says or you can do what the Catholic Church says. It is that simple.


Benjamin Roscoe, Rev. • I think Pastor M surely does not admit knowing the bible truth. We need to pray for him rather commenting on his pointless comments.

He will get answers form bible with the help of Holy Spirit.

Leave him alone with the help of Holy Spirit.

May The Lord bless him


Pastor Mock • God bless you and Frank.


Pastor Mock • Benjamin, "Pointless" when you point your finger at someone you have three fingers pointing back at you.


Frank T. Clark • In this very discussion, the truth has been pointed out and explained numerous times. It is inappropriate for Pastor Mock to continue with his remarks. I am highly concerned for those who may be new to this group and those struggling to understand truth that they will not know Pastor Mock is a Sunday keeping pastor, not an Adventist, and will be confused by his anti-Adventist remarks in an Adventist group. INAPPROPRIATE and flagged as such!

We can continue to pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit to help him but it is inappropriate to allow him to continue making misleading and derogatory remarks in this group. I have made an official complaint to the manager of this group.


Pastor Mock • Thank you Frank, in the words of the song, They will know we are Christians by our love. They will know we are Christians by our love.


Frank T. Clark • Pastor Mock, I have a simple question. What love has been shown by your comments?

I have prayed about this situation and have been very patient.

This is a group for Adventists and those sympathetic to Adventism. The group manager has reassured me this is true.

Your comments show a different spirit.


Pastor Mock • Frank I served in the U.S. Army to protect the rights of U.S. citizens to worship freely irrelevant of the day.


Benjamin Roscoe, Rev. • Religion is very personal between the creator and any one individual, cannot and should not be controlled by any governmental authorities such as military, race, gender and traditions. Follow the bible truth. Like in garden of Eden, you have the power of choice!!


Pastor Mock • I agree Pastor Benjamin and that is why a forum like this would not, is not, permitted in Communist countries. Only in America can a forum like this take place. This is why people came to America and why the U.S, military serve proudly to protect those very rights. I deeply and sincerely like and agree with what you stated, "Religion is very personal between the creator and any one individual, cannot and should not be controlled by any governmental authorities such as military, race, gender and traditions. Follow the bible truth. Like in garden of Eden, you have the power of choice!!"


Frank T. Clark • Pastor Mock,

Your comment is irrelevant:

"I served in the U.S. Army to protect the rights of U.S. citizens to worship freely irrelevant of the day."

Of course a person has the right to choose any day they want. This has nothing to do with coming into a private Adventist forum where we choose the day we believe in and spreading confusion and denying our belief. You have violated our rights and I will not remain silent about your actions as long as this is a private Adventist forum.

We choose to worship on the day God requires. You can choose any day you want. You cannot choose to rant against our choice in a private Adventist forum.


Pastor Mock • If it is a private Adventist forum then why is it in the open for all to participate? If you want it private create a website not everybody can obtain access to unless they have a code to enter? I am not "ranting" Frank but it is apparent whatever I say you have a negative comeback to. As I said to you in a private e-mail to you in the way you present yourself towards me why would I want to worship with you let alone become a member? You have every right to "choose to worship on the day God requires."

Frank you are the only person on this forum who speaks to me as you do, "Your comment is irrelevant" what a statement of power Frank.

Frank life is to short to argue over who is right. My eyes and heart are focused on Jesus. Your comments are relevant Frank for as a child of God you matter.


Frank T. Clark • Pastor Mock,

LinkedIn provides a place for members-only groups. You only received permission to enter this group because you asked.

I assume your church is in the open for all to see. If I came to your church and spoke against Sunday, would you sit back and let me? Whenever you speak against what the Bible says, I provide a response from the Bible. If you do not want to worship with someone who stands up for belief in what the Bible says, that is your choice. You speak nice words at the same time that you spread misleading words about what the Bible says. YES, I will stand up and defend my God on this members-only Adventist forum! It does not matter whether anyone else does. Others have also spoken for what the Bible says against what you have said.

I don't care if it makes me look bad in the sight of others, because I stand against your mockery of Biblical beliefs. I only care about how I look in front of God.

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile, for they were without blemish before the throne of God.


Pastor Mock • The doors to the church are open to you Frank for it is God's house not my church or to quote you, "your church." You are relevant Frank for you are a child of God.


Frank T. Clark • Pastor Mock, I have too much respect for you to come to the church where you preach and be disruptive. I wish you respected this group that much. Your pleasing words are hollow when following words of disrespect to the beliefs of this group.


Will you stand for God's Truth when confronted with the dilemma of disagreement?

I pray we may all continue to seek love, peace, and unity in truth preparing for the soon coming of IAUShUO (ee-ah-oo-shoo-oh) Messiah, the Son of God.

Frank T. Clark
Eliau@IAUA.name
www.IAUA.name

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